How can YOU be so sure?

Well, I opened my big mouth again. You might think my replies to Tim sound defensive (I hope not!), but it's hard to hold back because the guy who said it was a jerk to me in High School!!   Greg on the other hand was one of my ONLY friends in my High School and was one of my saving graces at that time!! I'll post more as there are updates.

A thread on facebook:

Greg Jorgensen 

laughed out loud when the Pope said yesterday: "History had demonstrated the absurdities to which man descends when he excludes God from the horizon of his choices and actions." He then looked to the crowd and said "What? The crusades and child abuse? Oh, well...errr..umm..." and then adjusted his huge hat.

Sun at 9:33pm · Comment · Like

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Sarah Gough

God is a very real presence in my life. The Catholic church has had issues, but that does not make God less real. This isn't the first time I've seen you post something like this and I am genuinely curious as to why you are convinced there is no God. I know you aren't supposed to discuss things like this but as far as I'm concerned there is no more important discussion :)

Sun at 10:46pm · Delete

Mitch DeYoung

Thank you for this Greg.

Sun at 11:25pm

Tim Huesken

God is a placebo.

Sun at 11:57pm

Jeff Werstiuk

The Children's Crusade was even worse, let's gather up as many orphans in Europe as we can (DUE to the former Crusades!) and send them off to the holy land with only the rags on their backs. The ones who actually make it there without dying of starvation or exposure to the elements, let alone being captured for slavery and the sex trade first can be fodder for the pointed weapons of the enemy. Yeah, nice one Vatican.....

Yesterday at 12:00am

Sarah Gough

Tim, that's a clever way of putting it; but how can you be so sure?

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Oliver Benjamin

what history books has he been reading? maybe he's horribly dyslexic.

Yesterday at 10:58am

Tim Huesken

Sarah... that indeed is an unfair question. Nobody can be sure. How can YOU be so sure? I think people see what they want to see. You might choose to see God in the things you experience. I choose to see science. I find the idea of God too irrational. Too many miracles. If I can't understand or explain something, I assume that it is beyond my current comprehension, I don't just tell myself that it's all caused by a mystical being in the sky. I can't believe that God exists because I have never seen or felt any proof. Most of what I know about God is what I have seen and learned from religious people. I refuse to associate myself with any religion because all that religion brings to this world is judgement, fear and suffering. Many preach about love... but I don't associate love with God. People love the idea of God, not God itself. God doesn't actually exist. God is a human made concept. I love people. I love this world. I love what I know is real. That's my 2 cents.

2 hours ago

Sarah Gough

Tim-it's so funny because when I asked the question "how can you be so sure?" I thought to myself: he's going to say, "well how can YOU be so sure?" Ha ha-well we might as well move on from the childish banter :) I just want to put it out there that there is another side-I think if you asked many believers you'd find they do not see science and God as mutually exclusive. I think often there's a stereotype that those of us who believe in God are mindless sheep who choose to follow along blindly rather than use our minds. Well, that may be true about some, just don't lump us all in there together. There are plenty of people, plenty of scientists, even more brilliant than anyone you or I know, who have put a great deal of thought into it and find their belief is only strengthened. As far as how I can be so sure... think of it like a science experiment you haven't tried yet: (see next comment)

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Sarah Gough

James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." As far as I'm concerned, all things testify there is a Supreme Creator. The trees, the planets that move in their regular form, the anatomy of the human eye-have you ever looked at that? It's insane. Anyway, I certainly don't expect you to believe ME, but I think when you know God is real, it's hard to read stuff that says He's not and just sit back and say nothing. You know?

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